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This page was created for information in general and will be used as the TT Assoc. Bulletin Board. This is a quick reference page for our members to come to so they can be better informed of any updates, address changes, changes in policy etc.
This information page will help our members to stay better informed in between newsletters. If you would like to post a message please contact Chuck Westbrook or Jack Hammond, or refer to the Tortuga Association's Information Website for contact information.

Thanking you in advance for your participation.

Chuck Westbrook

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J Brown wrote:


I received this e-mail from my sister in law , who is a ( CSSO ) Community Service Officer, with the Tallahassee Police Dept. I don't know if you would be interested in putting it on your web site or not . It was just a thought. Will send this one first, and then her’s. I will not be offended if you don't use it

.............................JACK A BROWN

We can now add to the list of victims the retired 77 yr. old TCU professor from Ft Worth whose body was found last week in Oklahoma --and the 11 yr .old in Sarasota , FL. Because of these recent abductions in daylight hours, refresh yourself of these things to do in an emergency situation...This is for you, and for you to share with your wife, your children, everyone you know.

When you finish reading this, forward it to someone you care about. It never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in.

1 . Tip from Tae Kwon Do : The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do!

2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans . If a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM . Toss it away from you....chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!

3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The driver won't see you, but everybody else will. This has saved lives.

4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list, etc. DON'T DO THIS!) The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side, put a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR, LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE.

5. A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage:

(A) Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor, and in the back seat.

(B) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most s! serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.

(C) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out.

IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid than dead.)

6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot)!.

7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS RUN! The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times; And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN!

8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP It may get you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.

9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her "Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door."

The lady then said that it sounded like the baby had crawled near a window, and she was worried that it would crawl to the street and get run over. The policeman said, "We already have a unit on the way, whatever you do, DO NOT open the door." He told her that they think a serial killer has a baby's cry recorded, and uses it to coax women out of their homes thinking that someone dropped off a baby. He said they have not verified it, but have had several calls by women saying that they hear baby crying outside their doors, when they're home! alone at night.

Please pass this on and DO NOT open the door for a crying baby. The Crying Baby theory was mentioned in a recent broadcast of America's Most Wanted when they profiled a serial killer in Louisiana.

I'd like you to forward this to all the women you know. It may save a life. A candle is not dimmed by lighting another candle. I was going to send this to the ladies only, but guys, if you love your mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, etc., you may want to pass it onto them, as well


9/3/05. Jill Fleming Ogilvie writes...


My name is Jill Fleming Ogilvie and I am the youngest daughter of LCDR J. Patrick (Pat) Fleming, who served on the Tortuga with great pride and passed in 1993. I cherished many of my father's possessions after he passed but sadly lost everything, including my home, in the Cedar Fire of California in Oct 2003. I am wondering if any one could tell me any stories / memories about my Dad? I am putting together bits and pieces from all over to try to get a album together for my kids to remember him. Thank you very much.


AUG. 8, 2005

Jack Hammond received this e-mail regarding Duane Panter's condition... writes:

He had bypass surgery on July 14, and his heart is doing well. He was released on July 25 and came to my house for 2 days, on the 27th they readmitted him for infection in his leg. He was moved to the rehab unit last Monday, and hopefully he will get to go home (to his house) maybe at the end of this week., it just depends on how fast his leg heals. He is planning on coming to the reunion, someone from Kansas City (Poncho?) called and I think he is going to ride out with him, so if all goes will he should be there. Anyway he is doing well and is really ready to go home, I will tell him you are thinking about him and thanks for the E-mail.


Hi Jacquie thanks so much for sending me Duane's update and really happy he is doing so well now, he is a tough old boy isn't he? I will share this with the members, will also ask Chuck Westbrook to put this on his web page, I'm sure Duane won't mind!

Jack Hammond

~~~~~~~SSG Kevin Hendrickson needs your help~~~~~~~


I am looking for the history for the Tortuga from May to Aug 1964. My father is a former Marine who was on the ship between these dates and has a claim in to the VA because he said they burned gas drums on the ship while he was aboard. He is having trouble finding supporting documentation on this and any help you can give would be appreciated including any contacts that may have been on the ship at that time.


SSG Kevin Hendrickson
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From Mike Wilson to Jack Hammond.
Message forwarded to Chuck Westbrook.

Sorry, I am frustrated. Hope I don’t bore you with all the details. If the psychiatrist is in, here is my 5 cents.

*When I was still in the service (after my TT days) I was assigned to the Naval Reserve Station in Columbus Ohio for 9 months humanitarian assignment. At that time it was discovered that I had a hearing loss and ringing in my ears (Thanks to the Starboard Pump Room’s DC Generator). Went to the VA hospital in Cleveland. Wasn’t looking for anything, just get it documented for possible future problems. It was found that that my initial hearing tests (enlistment) were not in my medical records along with some other information. Upon investigation it was found that it was cleaned/purged. It seems it was a common practice at that time to remove information if it seemed no longer pertinent and the individual’s record was getting “too thick”. My local VA officer suggested that I get any information to him for safekeeping. I also got documentation from locals doctors before my pre-enlistment days to make up for the missing papers. *It seems as if my Naval records were destroyed in St. Louis (fire).

*When I was discharged from the Navy in 1969, my local VA officer suggested that I provide him with any records for safe keeping (to be added to my past records) *The VA officer was a family friend and we had known him about 6 years before my enlistment. *He has long retired – also a fire in the 1970’s destroyed a good number of VA records that he and others had been maintained in that local office. *I am now retired and found to be getting some medical problems. *I have found: o Medical VA benefits have been greatly reduced o The loss of records due to fire o VA and others want documentation for support of claims since the Government cannot or will not do. o Hearing/ringing is getting worse o I also now have cancer and beginning to get diabetes.

The VA claims that since I was in Viet Nam (many tours) that my condition likely could be connected with Agent Orange. They have requested that I provide documentation that I was ashore any time during those four years. I was ashore many times (official and un-official) Shore duty, ship’s party, liberty, PBR runs, mail runs in the Huey (Navy & Army), etc. o VA wants me to get a X ray on my lungs and read by a specialist *I am wondering what is next – asbestos – several shipmates have request documentation supporting their exposure - Francis Joseph DeJuliis and Bruce Doyle for mesothelioma o Several times in the Starboard Pump repairs were made by shipmates and rarely by “yard birds during overhaul. No respirators or other such equipment was used or supplied, heck we wasn’t even aware of such problems.

One example that were at AAA Machine Yards in San Francisco for overhaul. We had some major made to the “starboard pump room”. Some asbestos repairs were made. When we asked if other repairs were going to made to other areas, they said no. We approached the Engineering officer of the Tortuga; he said that was correct (limited funds and budget). He suggested that we might want to consider doing ourselves. (Strongly suggested) - We took pride in our assigned areas and were wanted to be better than the “Port pump room”. - Tired of the snow (asbestos) dust and the constant clean-ups - Pride and Can do attitude, we took it upon ourselves. - Leaned how to tie, wrap, mud, and cover. At times were looked like “snowmen” o By default, we made our own future repairs because our “experience”. We even did repairs other places and showed others. I guess that it was OJT. Such things like this are never “officially documented”. Some others get “destroyed” or misplaced.

It is only when something tragically happens, we try to get information together to support our “faded memories”. What I was asking was for a place to “pigeon hole” such requests and documentation on the web site. I don’t want it to become a “bitch board”. Only documented facts would be posted - a "no sea story zone".

Mike Wilson
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In a message dated 4/17/2004 2:01:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, NDNormdalyliz writes:

Can anyone provide me with a list of preperations for getting underway minus 12 hours reports from all departments to the bridge and from the bridge to various functions ( permission to disengage the jacking gear, permission to light off boilers # 1 and 2, set the special sea and anchor detail, single up all lines, take in various lines, shift colors, sound one long blast etc etc). Now 80 years old and can remember some of them but not all and perhaps not in proper sequence. Reason for asking? Several old salts and I were reminicsing about the good old days. Served in Tortuga "50-'52 as Ens thru JG, 1st Div and Assist Gunnery Officer and as Navigator.

Now a retired CDR USN. Norman Daly



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